Who are the Atheists around here?

[Monsoon X]

:D

Just curious.

Got one so far


Atheist List:
white02gt
Elapidae Lord of the Rocks: Fellowship of the Rocks
Watcher
Carrie
Lason

[01WhiteCobra]

Ban the heathens!

[90GT50]

talisman is, I think

[Wario]

Originally posted by 01WhiteCobra
Ban the heathens!

:(

<~~~BAN!

[Sgt Beavis]

Yes, please identify yourselves so we can buy you tickets to The Passion :D

[STANGGT40]

would a dyslexic atheist not believe that there is such a thing as a dog?:p

i know it's corny, you don't have to tell me!:D

brad

[Wario]

Originally posted by STANGGT40
would a dyslexic atheist not believe that there is such a thing as a dog?:p

i know it's corny, you don't have to tell me!:D

brad

I know I dont have to but I will.

Brad, that was corny man!

[STANGGT40]

Originally posted by white02gt
I know I dont have to but I will.

Brad, that was corny man!

a guy that i used to work with told me that joke, if it could even be considered a joke, and it's stuck in my head!!! everytime i hear, or in this case read, the word "athiest", i think of it! lol

brad

[01WhiteCobra]

Originally posted by STANGGT40
would a dyslexic atheist not believe that there is such a thing as a dog?:p

i know it's corny, you don't have to tell me!:D

brad

Would a dyslexic Christian pray to a dog?

[Peep]

Awe Hell. :rolleyes:

[MouseKiller]

Touchy subject...bet this post turns out to be a trip.

Personally, I believe in the Christian God, Jesus, etc....but not in the modern incarnation of the church....that is as close to atheist as I am. Not that I hate church, quite the opposite really. I just don't like the ideas of forcing religion on people and religion for the masses.

[Beej]

I have a belly button

[MouseKiller]

Originally posted by 01WhiteCobra
Would a dyslexic Christian pray to a dog?

or yarp maybe....ya'll are a trip.

[Wario]

Originally posted by Monsoon X
:D

Just curious.

Got one so far


Atheist List:
white02gt

I made a list!:cool:

[TexasDevilDog]

Originally posted by MouseKiller
Touchy subject...bet this post turns out to be a trip.

Personally, I believe in the Christian God, Jesus, etc....but not in the modern incarnation of the church....that is as close to atheist as I am. Not that I hate church, quite the opposite really. I just don't like the ideas of forcing religion on people and religion for the masses.

That was my major problem with church too. I happened to luck out and find one, none denominational.

[Peep]

Well, you alreay know Mr. "Religion of Rocks" is on the list. Why you gotta flush out us Evil people anyway? I was polite in the crucifixion thread and I haven't even mentioned Dinosaurs. ;)

[Watcher]

Yeah. I'm on there.

The list that it.

[01WhiteCobra]

http://www.gulbransen.net/photos/london/images/18.atheist.jpg

[Dolomite]

I found this thread searching for Kristallnacht.

[Carrie]

I'm on the list as well. Can we start our own crew too? Heathens unite!

[Lason]

One more for the heathens!

[Peep]

Originally posted by Carrie
I'm on the list as well. Can we start our own crew too? Heathens unite!

Sweet!!!

Now what do we do?

[Wario]

Originally posted by Carrie
I'm on the list as well. Can we start our own crew too? Heathens unite!

Just remember who is #1 on that list!

KING OF THE HEATHENS:cool:

[MouseKiller]

Originally posted by TexasDevilDog
That was my major problem with church too. I happened to luck out and find one, none denominational.

LMFAO


BTW...whats up with making the list?

[Watcher]

Originally posted by white02gt
Just remember who is #1 on that list!

KING OF THE HEATHENS:cool:

Atleast you can't claim divine right.:cool:

[Carrie]

Originally posted by white02gt
Just remember who is #1 on that list!

KING OF THE HEATHENS:cool:

Well I'm the QUEEN then damnit! It feels good to sleep in on Sundays doesn't it?

[Stroked87]

<-----Agnostic

Can I join?

[TexasDevilDog]

Originally posted by Carrie
It feels good to sleep in on Sundays doesn't it?

We have a 5:00PM service at my church, if you would like. Other times are 8:30am, 9:45am, 11:15am.

[302_plus_a_few]

Originally posted by Monsoon X
Who's an atheist?Put me on the list.

There is no proof that the bible wasn't some wild fictional book written by one of the best writers of his time. Its amazing to me how people can be so attached to a book. Does it mean that 2 billion Chinese are going to "hell" for worshiping an idol?

Another interesting aspect of different faiths is how they all interpret the same book differently. Which faith is correct? Catholics believe that birth control is a sin. Some faiths don't believe that. Which one is right?

Its just easier to believe that we all started from a puddle of goo and evolved from there. At least there is evidence to support that.

[46Tbird]

I recently saw someone post that they didn't believe that a single cell morphed into a fish, then a frog, then a dog, then a lion, then a monkey, and then a human.

WELL NO SHIT

[lowthreeohz]

Originally posted by 46Tbird
I recently saw someone post that they didn't believe that a single cell morphed into a fish, then a frog, then a dog, then a lion, then a monkey, and then a human.

WELL NO SHIT

LOL!!!

and chalk me up on there too. Sorry jewbacca.

[Shorty]

I'm more or less agnostic, does that count.

[46Tbird]

Sure, we don't mind if you burn in hell with us.

[The Big Matt]

i don't believe in any supernatural being, god, or unicorns, so count me in

[Wario]

Originally posted by 46Tbird
Sure, we don't mind if you burn in hell with us.


No such thing.;)

[The Big Matt]

exactly, can't burn in a place that doesn't exist, besides the only burning i'll be doing after death is in the creamator...

[cool cat]

Originally posted by 46Tbird
I recently saw someone post that they didn't believe that a single cell morphed into a fish, then a frog, then a dog, then a lion, then a monkey, and then a human.

WELL NO SHIT They forgot the missing link.l

[01WhiteCobra]

Originally posted by The Big Matt
i don't believe in any ... unicorns, so count me in

Now you went overboard!

[talisman]

I'm an Athiest. According to Hook 'Em it is just a stage I am going through to try and be hip and cool and make everyone pay attention to me. Cause, ya know, not having a reason for living makes life SO much easier and hip.

[HiTechRedneck]

Originally posted by 302_plus_a_few
Put me on the list.
Another interesting aspect of different faiths is how they all interpret the same book differently. Which faith is correct? Catholics believe that birth control is a sin. Some faiths don't believe that. Which one is right?


I agree. The problem is people put their own rules to the bible(just dealing with christianity). The big idea is to believe and have faith. This to me turns into nothing but confusion. My grandma is a big time bible thumper, no cussing, gives money, etc, basicly a perfect christian. But she's divorced 7 times(because she either is tired of the guy, doesnt get along, etc). So they aren't scriptural. She believes that the verse saying you shouldn't be alone gives her the right to ingore the one on divorce.

To much of a cluster fuck to me.

ExChristian, what does that make me?

[46Tbird]

Originally posted by talisman
Cause, ya know, not having a reason for living makes life SO much easier and hip. You're too cool for school!

[KiwiGT]

Originally posted by white02gt
No such thing.;)

I'll come be over in about an hour, we'll see what you think then.

[46Tbird]

"If she's here, then who's running Hell?"

[Lane]

LOL - it's a shorter list than I thought it would be!

[CrashStitches]

HookEm rules. You lose automatically.

[Miss_Mustang_94]

Originally posted by 46Tbird
"If she's here, then who's running Hell?"

LMAO! Greatness!

Kimmay!

[KiwiGT]

Originally posted by 46Tbird
"If she's here, then who's running Hell?"

:D

<-- SHE-DEVIL!

[talisman]

Originally posted by KiwiGT
:D

<-- SHE-DEVIL!

Rosanne Barr? :o

[KiwiGT]

Originally posted by talisman
Rosanne Barr? :o

Indeed! I sit on people til they give in to my demands.

[46Tbird]

a BONE CRUSHING 53 pounds

[Chuck]

<---Agnostic. The Bible has a lot of good stories, but it belongs on the fiction shelf.:D

[KiwiGT]

Originally posted by 46Tbird
a BONE CRUSHING 53 pounds

HEY, thats 253 to you!

[46Tbird]

Hey, as long as it's "crushing my bone", I don't give a damn.






:D

[KiwiGT]

Originally posted by 46Tbird
Hey, as long as it's "crushing my bone", I don't give a damn.






:D


NICE. :p

[gts95]

<---- right here

[Stroked87]

Originally posted by gts95
<---- right here

What the hell took you so long to post in this thread? About damn time you heathen!!!

[Brandon-K]

<---- Atheist

[Skidmark]

what exactly is agnostic?

i think people should believe in something so they won't run around and kill everyone without even thinking about it..

on the other hand, i am one of those people who have to see something to believe it. i've never seen jesus, an angel, a ghost, or anything of that sort.. as mentioned before, the bible could just be one great fictional story.

[ScottJ]

Originally posted by ShelbysCA
<---Agnostic. The Bible has a lot of good stories, but it belongs on the fiction shelf.:D

Where you around to witness otherwise? Adopting Biblical teaching is a matter of faith, nothing more.

Extensive research of biblical teachings w/ substance to displace biblical record is the only case I'll hear to question the Bible's validity. Consider the multiple places in scripture where the Word's continuity is transcribed by multiple people, of multiple races, of multiple dilects, and carry's the message throughout w/ remarkable clarity and consitancy. Again, i emphasize faith; without which, there is no basis for a relegious belief of any kind.

[Carrie]

Originally posted by skidmark
i think people should believe in something so they won't run around and kill everyone without even thinking about it..



I don't have to believe in anything to have morals.

[Sgt Beavis]

Originally posted by Carrie
I don't have to believe in anything to have morals.

You have to believe in your morals, don't you?

[Monsoon X]

Originally posted by Carrie
I don't have to believe in anything to have morals.

Where did your morals come from?

[MoonDog]

Originally posted by skidmark
what exactly is agnostic?

i think people should believe in something so they won't run around and kill everyone without even thinking about it..

on the other hand, i am one of those people who have to see something to believe it. i've never seen jesus, an angel, a ghost, or anything of that sort.. as mentioned before, the bible could just be one great fictional story.
Joh 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
Originally posted by Carrie
I don't have to believe in anything to have morals.
:confused: Where the heck do you get your morals if you dont believe anything? Do you decide what is right and wrong?

[Peep]

So the argument now is that we wouldn't have a sense of what's right or wrong without the bible?

[mikecobra95]

why do Christians want to know so bad, please dont push your beliefs on others. Everyone has a right to think what they want. Religion is so tainted it is unreal. You believe in something so strongly, yet if religion were right, there would only be one, not the thousands of faiths people believe in. What makes you think your faith is right and all others out there are wrong?????
I was raised Roman catholic, but since i opened my mind and thought for myself I ahve really started to see things differently. I am no different than any one on this planet, we are all human, some just need to believe in something to make themselves feel better. No need to hate on those not like you, that is racist ya know? What would your God say to that?

[302_plus_a_few]

Originally posted by skidmark
i think people should believe in something so they won't run around and kill everyone without even thinking about it.This post just lowered the stupidity factor of this thread by several thousand points.

[302_plus_a_few]

Originally posted by mikecobra95
why do Christians want to know so bad, please dont push your beliefs on others. Everyone has a right to think what they want. Religion is so tainted it is unreal. You believe in something so strongly, yet if religion were right, there would only be one, not the thousands of faiths people believe in. What makes you think your faith is right and all others out there are wrong?????
I was raised Roman catholic, but since i opened my mind and thought for myself I ahve really started to see things differently. I am no different than any one on this planet, we are all human, some just need to believe in something to make themselves feel better. No need to hate on those not like you, that is racist ya know? What would your God say to that? Amen brother Mike!

[TexasDevilDog]

Originally posted by mikecobra95
I was raised Roman catholic, but since i opened my mind and thought for myself I ahve really started to see things differently. I am no different than any one on this planet, we are all human,

HAHAHAHA, you thought you were special and we are not all humans. I wouldn't worry about theology, you need to grasp reality.

[302_plus_a_few]

Originally posted by TexasDevilDog
...... we are not all humans. I am.... What species are you? :confused:

[gts95]

Ha ha, now wait a minute I saw you post up in another thread claiming to be a Jew....so which is it?!?! :eek:

Originally posted by Stroked87
What the hell took you so long to post in this thread? About damn time you heathen!!!

[redheadintx]

Originally posted by The Big Matt
i don't believe in any supernatural being, god, or unicorns, so count me in

Ditto.

[Carrie]

The major argument about being atheist tends to stem from whether or not those that don't believe in a higher being have morals. The point is that you don't have to believe in something (higher being) to differentiate between right and wrong. That is just fucking ignorant. I believe that you get your morals from your upbringing, whether that be based on Christianity or not.

Like 302PAF said, this thread is turning or has turned to ignorance.

[MoonDog]

Originally posted by Elapidae
So the argument now is that we wouldn't have a sense of what's right or wrong without the bible?
I dont believe anyone said that. People get their morals from somewhere, they dont just wake up one day and decide what is going to be right for them that day.

[Lane]

I posted on another thread that I might not believe in God/Jesus is I hadn't been raised a Christian. BUT - it would be equally difficult NOT to believe some supreme being was behind it all.

Watching a baby grow in the womb and be born. I STILL can't see how that wouldn't make someone wonder about God. The stars in the sky at night. All the countless other miracles(nature-wise) of life that happen every day. Not to start another evolution/God thread, but just as I struggle sometimes with my faith - you atheists HAVE to struggle sometimes with yours...

On another note: Why do so many non-believers/atheists/whatever have the need to antagonize Christians? I'm sure it's possible many of you have been insulted or hurt by Christians in some way, but saying "leave me alone and let me believe what I want" - while on the other hand saying "your're an idiot and just need to believe in something so you'll feel better" is so hypocritical. LOL - hypocrytical atheists! hahahaha It easily goes both ways around here. I guess when you're talking about something this important - it can easily get personal...

[Monsoon X]

Originally posted by Lane
I posted on another thread that I might not believe in God/Jesus is I hadn't been raised a Christian. BUT - it would be equally difficult NOT to believe some supreme being was behind it all.

Watching a baby grow in the womb and be born. I STILL can't see how that wouldn't make someone wonder about God. The stars in the sky at night. All the countless other miracles(nature-wise) of life that happen every day. Not to start another evolution/God thread, but just as I struggle sometimes with my faith - you atheists HAVE to struggle sometimes with yours...

On another note: Why do so many non-believers/atheists/whatever have the need to antagonize Christians? I'm sure it's possible many of you have been insulted or hurt by Christians in some way, but saying "leave me alone and let me believe what I want" - while on the other hand saying "your're an idiot and just need to believe in something so you'll feel better" is so hypocritical. LOL - hypocrytical atheists! hahahaha It easily goes both ways around here. I guess when you're talking about something this important - it can easily get personal...


Well it's about darn time! Quit sanding on that showcar and post! :p

[Lane]

Originally posted by Carrie
...I believe that you get your morals from your upbringing...

That's a VERY loaded and scary statement - and could go about a million different ways Carrie. On the other hand it could explain alot of things as well. Child molesters, gang bangers, rapists, thieves, insest - if they were raised in it, who's to say it was wrong? Us? What right to we have to judge them? I'm sure there are generations out there raised in much of that... Cultures as well..

Are they wrong or just different?

[Lane]

Originally posted by Monsoon X
Well it's about darn time! Quit sanding on that showcar and post! :p

LOL - I'm so SICK of sanding! :mad:

[Monsoon X]

Originally posted by Carrie
The major argument about being atheist tends to stem from whether or not those that don't believe in a higher being have morals. The point is that you don't have to believe in something (higher being) to differentiate between right and wrong. That is just fucking ignorant. I believe that you get your morals from your upbringing, whether that be based on Christianity or not.

Like 302PAF said, this thread is turning or has turned to ignorance.


so it's turned to ignorance because we don't agree with you?

You may not believe in God but, your percieved morality is Christian based. If your GGP were christians they raised your GPs that way, lets say that they didn't adhere to christianity, they still got their morality structure from their parents. So the morality structure was passed to you. God's Law is still, written on your heart (Like he said it would be in the Book of Hebrews) :p Even though in your "wisdom" you don't acknowledge Him.

But it's okay. Somethings are true whether you believe them or not.

[TexasDevilDog]

Originally posted by 302_plus_a_few
I am.... What species are you? :confused:

I know what we are, you might want to ask mikecobra95. :D

[01WhiteCobra]

Originally posted by MoonDog
I dont believe anyone said that. People get their morals from somewhere, they dont just wake up one day and decide what is going to be right for them that day.

Sure, it is easy to point up in the sky and say, "I get my morals from there."

Morals are shared values. That is all. If we didn't share these values in common, it would be difficult to make any decisions.

In alot of cases, there is disagreement in the correct course of action, thus we see some values are shared with a small majority, as opposed to a large shared value. An example or a largely shared value would be the agreement that harming other people is wrong (murder, rape).

Sharing is a very common value shared in the monkey community. If a monkey brings back a load of bananas and doesn't share with the rest of the monkeys, he will get his ass kicked. I'm not sure monkeys understand Christianity.

So, a Christian behaves "morally" in hopes of of being "God like" and an atheist acts morally for no reason at all?

Actually, atheists and Christians are on alot more common ground than they think. An atheist believes in morals for the good of the Universe, a Christian is moral because the Bible tells them to be moral and that God is the Universe.

Thus, an atheist and a Christian are moral for exactly the same reasons. There, both atheists and Christians can now live in harmony.

[mikecobra95]

Originally posted by TexasDevilDog
HAHAHAHA, you thought you were special and we are not all humans. I wouldn't worry about theology, you need to grasp reality.

You make no sense man:rolleyes:

[MoonDog]

Originally posted by 01WhiteCobra
Sharing is a very common value shared in the monkey community. If a monkey brings back a load of bananas and doesn't share with the rest of the monkeys, he will get his ass kicked. I'm not sure monkeys understand Christianity.

You have a fascination with monkeys dont you Eric? :p

[Lane]

Originally posted by 01WhiteCobra
Sure, it is easy to point up in the sky and say, "I get my morals from there."

Morals are shared values. That is all. If we didn't share these values in common, it would be difficult to make any decisions.

In alot of cases, there is disagreement in the correct course of action, thus we see some values are shared with a small majority, as opposed to a large shared value. An example or a largely shared value would be the agreement that harming other people is wrong (murder, rape).

Sharing is a very common value shared in the monkey community. If a monkey brings back a load of bananas and doesn't share with the rest of the monkeys, he will get his ass kicked. I'm not sure monkeys understand Christianity.

So, a Christian behaves "morally" in hopes of of being "God like" and an atheist acts morally for no reason at all?

Actually, atheists and Christians are on alot more common ground than they think. An atheist believes in morals for the good of the Universe, a Christian is moral because the Bible tells them to be moral and that God is the Universe.

Thus, an atheist and a Christian are moral for exactly the same reasons. There, both atheists and Christians can now live in harmony.

See JC's previous post. :)

[01WhiteCobra]

Originally posted by MoonDog
You have a fascination with monkeys dont you Eric? :p

Monkeys and chimps rock.

Someday, I'm going to have lots of land and raise of community of monkeys or chimps.

[302_plus_a_few]

We evolved from goo and a couple of hundred thousand years ago, aliens landed, yanked a few monkeys out of the trees and fucked them. A few of the monkeys became pregnant and the rest, as the say, is history (or evolution in this case).

This story brought to you buy the Foundation for Atheists and Agnostics. Although we would like for you to smarten up and realize that the bible is just another fictional book, we realize that it is your right to believe what you want and choose not to impose our beliefs on you. So, please don't impose your beliefs on us as it insults our intelligence. Thank you....

[TexasDevilDog]

Originally posted by mikecobra95
You make no sense man:rolleyes:

You're so funny, that you thought we not all humans when you were Roman catholic. I knew there was something wrong with catholics.

[mikecobra95]

Originally posted by TexasDevilDog
You're so funny, that you thought we not all humans when you were Roman catholic. I knew there was something wrong with catholics.
\
Seriously man, what is worng with you. I said....."We are all humans". Never did I say that we were not or that I did not think that as a Cathloic, you just read it wrong man.

[Wario]

*George Carlin*// God is the all powerful all knowing and all mighty but he needs your MONEY! \\*George Carlin*

[michelle95gt]

not aethiest, but not full fledged Christian either......I believe there is a God of some sort, but I don't believe there is necessarily proof to support it, but isn't that supposed to be the deal, you are supposed to have faith when there isn't proof to support it? If there was proof, it wouldn't be such a big leap. I DO NOT BELIEVE IN ORGANIZED RELIGION though.......i think it it is a sham. I prefer to act on my beliefs in my everyday life and I don't need a preacher, priest or minister once a week to do that.

I don't attend mass/church and haven't in like 10 years. I grew up Catholic and in Catholic school for about 15 years of my life. I have a full life without organized church in my life.

As for the JC's question----On another note: Why do so many non-believers/atheists/whatever have the need to antagonize Christians?

I think some aethiest or non-christians feel like they have been 'preached' to by Christians when they don't want to hear that (you have no morals, you are going to hell blah blah). I think it can go both ways----the non believers don't want a Christian to be trying to preach to them everytime they speak that they are going to hell and should convert.....and the Christians don't want to try and be convinced that their whole belief system is based on fiction ('you are a religious fanatic, there is no evidence blah blah). The harrassment goes both ways. I stay out of it- so far, no one has forced anything down my throat and I do the same to others. My beliefs are mine, and mine alone. I hope people respect that, because I respect that everyone has a right to believe what they want.



I know we have a lot of agnostics on here, more so than aethiests, probably.

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Definition of Agnostic:
Agnosticism is a concept, not a religion. It is a belief related to the existence or non-existence of God.

An agnostic is a person who feels that God's existence can neither be proved nor disproved, on the basis of current evidence. Agnostics note that some theologians and philosophers have tried to to prove, for millennia, that God exists. Others have attempted to prove that God does not exist. Neither side has convincingly succeeded at their task.

However, some Agnostics consider themselves to be Atheists.

An agnostic usually holds the question of the existence of God open, pending the arrival of more evidence. They are willing to change their belief if some solid evidence or logical proof is found in the future. However, some have taken the position that there is no logical way in which the existence or the non-existence of a deity can be proven.

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[01WhiteCobra]

Originally posted by white02gt
*George Carlin*// God is the all powerful all knowing and all mighty but he needs your MONEY! \\*George Carlin*

George Carlin also said he prays to Joe Pesci and that the ratio of answered/unanswered prayers was about the same as when he prayed to Jesus.

[Wario]

Originally posted by 01WhiteCobra
George Carlin also said he prays to Joe Pesci and that the ratio of answered/unanswered prayers was about the same as when he prayed to Jesus.

Yeah 0%;)

[Girls can too]

Morals were definitely not passed on to me and neither was Christianity, both were self impossed. I CHOSE to follow that path. Without it I would've never had enough faith to enter, what could've been a bleak future, after all I'd endured. I also would have NEVER found the compassion to forgive the unforgivable. Even today I forgive (and pity) the same kinds of people - those who I know don't deserve it. Call me ignorant or insane for believing in a "Book" but I'd rather do so than to be without Faith or to live the way many who are without Him do.

[MoonDog]

Good to hear from you Nic. :D

[michelle95gt]

Originally posted by mikecobra95
why do Christians want to know so bad, please dont push your beliefs on others. Everyone has a right to think what they want. Religion is so tainted it is unreal. You believe in something so strongly, yet if religion were right, there would only be one, not the thousands of faiths people believe in. What makes you think your faith is right and all others out there are wrong?????
I was raised Roman catholic, but since i opened my mind and thought for myself I ahve really started to see things differently. I am no different than any one on this planet, we are all human, some just need to believe in something to make themselves feel better. No need to hate on those not like you, that is racist ya know? What would your God say to that? well said- i totally agree.....who's to say which one is right.......it is very close minded i think to believe one is right and all others are totally wrong.......

i wonder if how religion has developed over the ages and what it is today is really what "God" intended. People have thrown out what they don't want to do/believe in and inserted other things.......so now we have all these different divisions within Christianity.....which one is right and which one is wrong? who's to say? are the Episopalians that allow gay priests wrong and the other ones right? Who's to say which religion is the right one and that everyone else is going to hell (barring that exists!)

[mikecobra95]

Originally posted by michelle95gt
well said- i totally agree.....who's to say which one is right.......it is very close minded i think to believe one is right and all others are totally wrong.......

i wonder if how religion has developed over the ages and what it is today is really what "God" intended. People have thrown out what they don't want to do/believe in and inserted other things.......so now we have all these different divisions within Christianity.....which one is right and which one is wrong? who's to say? are the Episopalians that allow gay priests wrong and the other ones right? Who's to say which religion is the right one and that everyone else is going to hell (barring that exists!)

AMEN, as some would say! I am glad others realize what is really going on. Think for yourself, question authority.

[michelle95gt]

Originally posted by Carrie
The major argument about being atheist tends to stem from whether or not those that don't believe in a higher being have morals. The point is that you don't have to believe in something (higher being) to differentiate between right and wrong. That is just fucking ignorant. I believe that you get your morals from your upbringing, whether that be based on Christianity or not.

Like 302PAF said, this thread is turning or has turned to ignorance.

I believe in Carrieism....lol j/k ;)

I think Carrie is right though- morals are not necessarily learned from the Bible. You know as a Catholic growing up, we didn't study the bible---we just didn't do that. I learned a lot of my morals from my parents and their behavior, and from other books and stories passed down from family and friends. The environment in general helps spur those morals, from your parents, your friends, your school, your teachers, television shows, books, mother goose etc.......the Bible is not what teaches us morals. I mean did people before the Bible was written not have morals? where did they learn them from then? From family and stories passed down through generations.....probably many of their same stories ended up in the Bible and other books....the bible and christianity aren't the source of all things.

[Girls can too]

Originally posted by michelle95gt
the bible and christianity aren't the source of all things.

But they're a great foundation. Good points btw. :)

[Stroked87]

Originally posted by gts95
Ha ha, now wait a minute I saw you post up in another thread claiming to be a Jew....so which is it?!?! :eek:

I am a Jew, but that doesn't mean that I fully believe that there is a God. That is why I stated that I am Agnostic(see description below). I do not completely dismiss the idea that there could be a higher power, however there is more tangible proof that supports that mankind and everything else on Earth (and Earth for that matter) was not created by one all powerful being and was in fact created through evolution.

I refuse to have faith(Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence.) in something that cannot be proven w/o true evidence.

BTW - Being agnostic does not just apply to God or religion, it applies to anything that can not be proven.

ag·nos·tic ( P ) Pronunciation Key (g-nstk)
n.

1. One who is skeptical about the existence of God but does not profess true atheism.
2. One who is doubtful or noncommittal about something.

[Stroked87]

Originally posted by Monsoon X
You may not believe in God but, your percieved morality is Christian based.

Who is to say that morals are Christian based? So anyone who is not Christian or read the bible has no morals and does not know how to decide what is right or wrong? I guess that since I am Jewish and was raised that way that I could not have any morals. And since I know what your response 'might' be, I will go ahead and tell you now that there was no Christian influence in my life growing up in any way. Not in school, and definately not around any of my friends.

[Hollywood]

<------------- atheist

[Monsoon X]

Originally posted by Stroked87
Who is to say that morals are Christian based? So anyone who is not Christian or read the bible has no morals and does not know how to decide what is right or wrong? I guess that since I am Jewish and was raised that way that I could not have any morals. And since I know what your response 'might' be, I will go ahead and tell you now that there was no Christian influence in my life growing up in any way. Not in school, and definately not around any of my friends.

Sheesh, Chill out, Super Jew, I use the term Christianity to include the Old Testament as well, since it was all God's law.

[Lane]

Originally posted by Stroked87
I am a Jew, but that doesn't mean that I fully believe that there is a God. That is why I stated that I am Agnostic(see description below). I do not completely dismiss the idea that there could be a higher power, however there is more tangible proof that supports that mankind and everything else on Earth (and Earth for that matter) was not created by one all powerful being and was in fact created through evolution.

I refuse to have faith(Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence.) in something that cannot be proven w/o true evidence.

BTW - Being agnostic does not just apply to God or religion, it applies to anything that can not be proven.

ag·nos·tic ( P ) Pronunciation Key (g-nstk)
n.

1. One who is skeptical about the existence of God but does not profess true atheism.
2. One who is doubtful or noncommittal about something.

No offense - but you sound more confused than agnostic... :confused:

[Stroked87]

Originally posted by Lane
No offense - but you sound more confused than agnostic... :confused:

No offense taken. There is a fine line between the two.

[1994SilverGT]

lol. like we were created by some random all powerful being. he just decided one day,...hmm i will make people...yea thats it.

in all honesty we created religon. look at all the old religions, like the old roman ones, egyptian ones as well, why were they created? to explain the unexplainable. wonder why christianity was created....?

[four5.0snomore]

Originally posted by STANGGT40
would a dyslexic atheist not believe that there is such a thing as a dog?:p

i know it's corny, you don't have to tell me!:D

brad

Brad,

It is a dislexic agnostic not athiest.

Athiests say there is no God, and agnostics say they do not know if there is or isn't.

Lee

[Lane]

Originally posted by 1994SilverGT
lol. like we were created by some random all powerful being. he just decided one day,...hmm i will make people...yea thats it.


lol - like there was a big bang(ramdomly and out of nowhere) and the world was here, and then something started living, then it started crawling - and for some reason started reproducing with other organisms that came out of nowhere too, then jillions of years later we're here.

Don't tell me it doesn't require faith to believe that...

And when you look at it like that - what is more believable? :) Tough one huh?

[46Tbird]

Originally posted by Lane
And when you look at it like that - what is more believable? :) Tough one huh? Tough to believe? Maybe for some.

Do Science and Mathematics produce data that shows it to be true?

Everyday. :)

[Lane]

Originally posted by 46Tbird
Tough to believe? Maybe for some.

Do Science and Mathematics produce data that shows it to be true?

Everyday. :)

Why would it be tough to believe if science and mathematics produced data every day to prove it?

Where is this data and what does it say?

I want to know what started it all!

[46Tbird]

So do I. :)

That's why I was here long before they let the other heathens in. :D

[Lane]

Originally posted by 46Tbird
So do I. :)


I already do. I just want to know what you think. ;):D

See my other thread. :)

[talisman]

Originally posted by MoonDog
Do you decide what is right and wrong?

Of course I do. So does everyone else. Most religious people are selectivly moral when it suits them to begin with. Just because I dont believe there is a magic man in the sky pulling my strings doesn't mean I think its alright to go on a killing spree. Though oftentimes when forced to interact with some of you people that can be a REAL challange.

[1994SilverGT]

yea i decide what is right and wrong, though most of it was passed down to me from my parents. the main reason i dont go around killing people, because i was tought that it is wrong.

as for the big bang, dont know if that happened, but i know what the bible says isnt very realistic...

[Josh]

My thoughts.
Being a Christian in no way makes one foolish. It is an ouright deception that leads people to think that believing in God is tantamount to a blind leap into the dark. It is far from it.
God or the belief in him is not a crutch. He is not someone Christians believe in just because we are not spiritually/emotional/intellectually equipped. He is absolutely real.
What is the problem with some of you people? You get on this forum ask a legitimate question about religion. When you get the answer you immediately throw out the worn out response,"Why do you Christians always try and cram your religion down our throats!" Biblethumper this Biblethumper that. I would not be surprised if most of those spouting off have dared to even research the merits of the Bible. It's ludicrous. Believe me there is plenty of evidence supporting the truth of the Bible.

[Josh]

So there is no absolute truth then? To morality?

[Monsoon X]

Originally posted by 46Tbird
Tough to believe? Maybe for some.

Do Science and Mathematics produce data that shows it to be true?

Everyday. :)

Danny- I've been waiting for Science and Mathematics to disprove the bible and produce life out of nothing.

Could you please show me this evidence?