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turbostang

12-30-2003, 11:46 AM

bottom end (crank, rods) go 5.99?

1993 351W Truck motor.
Stock Crank
+.030 Block w/girdle
Forged pistons
pollished rod beams with ARP's

I know the turbos will make the power..But will the rotating assembly take it?

Time shall tell.....

46Tbird

12-30-2003, 11:49 AM

'93 block is thin walled

Hope you've got some filler in there. :D

Good luck man! Can't wait to see what it does run.

GR8WHITE

12-30-2003, 11:50 AM

Originally posted by turbostang
bottom end (crank, rods) go 5.99?

1993 351W Truck motor.
Stock Crank
+.030 Block w/girdle
Forged pistons
pollished rod beams with ARP's

I know the turbos will make the power..But will the rotating assembly take it?

Time shall tell.....

Sure, but the car will be lagging behind the crank by a few lengths!:eek:

turbostang

12-30-2003, 11:50 AM

... I was curious.. How much power does it actually take to get a 3300# car to go 5's :confused:

Boss Hogg

12-30-2003, 11:52 AM

With some luck, small bit and pieces of your block will take out both turbos.

Relinquished

12-30-2003, 11:57 AM

Originally posted by David Z28
With some luck, small bit and pieces of your block will take out both turbos. lol

turbostang

12-30-2003, 11:57 AM

Originally posted by David Z28
With some luck, small bit and pieces of your block will take out both turbos.

well I hope that is NOT the case.. but It could happen. On the other hand.. I dont spin the motor very hard at all.. 6000 is all it sees... so hopefully it will NOT boom bitch. :o

Monsoon X

12-30-2003, 12:01 PM

GR8WHITE

12-30-2003, 12:03 PM

Originally posted by turbostang
... I was curious.. How much power does it actually take to get a 3300# car to go 5's :confused:

Around 720 -750 rwhp......

turbostang

12-30-2003, 12:05 PM

Originally posted by GR8WHITE
Around 720 -750 rwhp......

Haven't you gone 6.0's ? How much power was your car making then?

Now that I think about it, I am not all that sure my car weighs that much ......

GR8WHITE

12-30-2003, 12:14 PM

Originally posted by turbostang
Haven't you gone 6.0's ? How much power was your car making then?

Now that I think about it, I am not all that sure my car weighs that much ......

5.94 @ 119 best time. I don't know how much power my car is making, this is just a mathematical formula based on weight and mph through the traps. This calculates to 750-800 hp at the wheels, but I dunno for sure.....My car weighs 3250 with me in it...
I also haven't ran the car in the cool weather yet, it should pick up some now.....a stock block is on borrowed time at this power level....

turbostang

12-30-2003, 12:22 PM

Originally posted by GR8WHITE
5.94 @ 119 best time. I don't know how much power my car is making, this is just a mathematical formula based on weight and mph through the traps. This calculates to 750-800 hp at the wheels, but I dunno for sure.....My car weighs 3250 with me in it...
I also haven't ran the car in the cool weather yet, it should pick up some now.....a stock block is on borrowed time at this power level....

I thought I read somewhere that you were running 50# injectors? hmmm.. Yeah.. I figured as much with a stock block - I built my motor/turbo kit with the intentions of building a "race" motor in the near future... but I have also seen W motors with stock parts run 9.7's for a couple of years..(Mike Sitar for example) So I figure what the hell.. If he can.. So can I.

GR8WHITE

12-30-2003, 12:31 PM

Originally posted by turbostang
I thought I read somewhere that you were running 50# injectors? hmmm.. Yeah.. I figured as much with a stock block - I built my motor/turbo kit with the intentions of building a "race" motor in the near future... but I have also seen W motors with stock parts run 9.7's for a couple of years..(Mike Sitar for example) So I figure what the hell.. If he can.. So can I.

Yes, I run 50's (stock computer) and am limited to about 15-17 psi....I also have a very small wet shot to introduce more fuel and cool the intake charge...me needs DFI!

turbostang

12-30-2003, 12:50 PM

Originally posted by GR8WHITE
Yes, I run 50's (stock computer) and am limited to about 15-17 psi....I also have a very small wet shot to introduce more fuel and cool the intake charge...me needs DFI!

YIKES ! I am getting rid of the 50's today! I just ordered my new MAF and other parts... I should get DFI too but the MAF was cheaper at this point :) I guess you are running a Tweecer, right?

302_plus_a_few

12-30-2003, 01:10 PM

Originally posted by turbostang
YIKES ! I am getting rid of the 50's today! I just ordered my new MAF and other parts... I should get DFI too but the MAF was cheaper at this point :) I guess you are running a Tweecer, right? What does it cost to get one recalibrated?

GR8WHITE

12-30-2003, 01:10 PM

turbostang

12-30-2003, 01:11 PM

Originally posted by 302_plus_a_few
What does it cost to get one recalibrated?

100$

Beej

12-30-2003, 05:08 PM

keep a good tune, and hopefully you got a wednesday block :D

12-30-2003, 05:15 PM

Originally posted by turbostang
... I was curious.. How much power does it actually take to get a 3300# car to go 5's :confused:

You could get there with 700 to the wheels with the right converter and traction.

GR8WHITE

12-30-2003, 05:17 PM

Originally posted by Beej
keep a good tune, and hopefully you got a wednesday block :D

Yup, that's about all you can hope for. The block will split before the crank goes south (or north!)....Get a Dart or "R" block and start worrying about your crank.

Big Thumper

12-30-2003, 07:23 PM

Originally posted by GR8WHITE
Yup, that's about all you can hope for. The block will split before the crank goes south (or north!)....Get a Dart or "R" block and start worrying about your crank.

Yeah...get a Dart block:) I happen to have one that is for sale!

I think it will do it, just not very long.

Monsoon X

12-30-2003, 08:02 PM

Scott- Did you ditch your Mustang project or something?

Big Thumper

12-30-2003, 08:28 PM

Originally posted by Monsoon X
Scott- Did you ditch your Mustang project or something?

Still doing it. The Dart block is a spare I had....I've had it for a year, doubt I will ever use it. I figure if I sell it, that should pay for a cheap rebuild for the TA. As of now, I'm more interested in the LS1 stuff vs the Mustang stuff:)

Cmarsh93z

12-30-2003, 08:54 PM

If the block does survive..that neat-o A/F curve you posted is gonna blow dat motor sky high! ;)

Chris

turbostang

12-30-2003, 11:24 PM

Originally posted by Cmarsh93z
If the block does survive..that neat-o A/F curve you posted is gonna blow dat motor sky high! ;)

Chris

Like I said in that post - The boost controller was not hooked up correctly. Now it is.. if you will notice the second graph it is rich as hell..

Cooter

01-01-2004, 03:20 PM

a "thin wall" 351 is still beefier at .060" over than a roller 302 block is at .030"

a .030" over late 351 block should hold 800hp without much trouble in a turbocharged application.

Forrest

turbostang

01-01-2004, 09:57 PM

Originally posted by Forrest
a "thin wall" 351 is still beefier at .060" over than a roller 302 block is at .030"

a .030" over late 351 block should hold 800hp without much trouble in a turbocharged application.

Forrest

Yeah.. I agree..and most people here dont understand the other strenght differences between a 302 and a 351W.

No matter what.. We will see just how much a "stock bottom end" will go. ;)

jyro

01-01-2004, 10:32 PM

the stock bottom end is stronger than the block

turbostang

01-01-2004, 10:42 PM

you should look at this (http://www.toohighpsi.com/DragRadial/drspecifications.htm) and then this (http://www.toohighpsi.com/DragRadial/drtimeslips.htm) - So I would say that it could most likely be done... I think some where on that same page he goes on to say that the motor has been together for 2 years....

jyro

01-02-2004, 11:43 PM

I thought this was a 302 based motor. I don't know what 351 stock rods can handle, I'd like to know to. The crank and blocks have been 8's.

turbostang

01-02-2004, 11:54 PM

Originally posted by jyro
I thought this was a 302 based motor. I don't know what 351 stock rods can handle, I'd like to know to. The crank and blocks have been 8's.

well.. I hope the rods can hold up to the abuse.. that is really my only worry.. we will find out soon enough... I guess if it blows I will finally get the 408 I always wanted.