The Tamer is hurt... [Archive]

StangTamer

11-22-2003, 11:39 AM

I drove the Tamer to the track last night and was going to make a few passes. I got there and let it cool down alittle and made a 6.84 @99 with a 1.50 60ft(new best 60ft) n/a with no changes. The second pass I changed the plugs and had some traction issues and only ran a 6.97 @ 99 with a 1.61 60ft. My third pass I heated up the bottles and lined up. I ran a 6.22 @ 111.39 with a 1.42 60ft. (new best). The car got pretty squirly going from first to second causing me to over rev from 2nd to 3rd. The motor came back knocking pretty hard.:( I think I spun a rod bearing. I don't know. I am going to pull the motor in a little bit and see what the damage is. This sucks.:( I am definately going to fix all traction issues before the next time I come out. It is just to hard to pay attention to the tach and the road when the car is getting loose.

OvrKill

11-22-2003, 12:15 PM

:eek: :eek: Oh shit Chad I hope it isn't hurt too bad :(

Milo

11-22-2003, 12:22 PM

Hope it's nothing too seriously wrong with it.Good luck....

SLOW 77

11-22-2003, 12:34 PM

Sorry to hear about that Chad, that SUX! Well you know when they are down there is always room to improve:) Just don't keep it down for a year or more:)

I just got back getting a little traction part installed, and so far it is very nice, maybe I can pull the wheels on the bottle now:eek: , maybe...

StangTamer

11-22-2003, 12:38 PM

Thanks guys. John, we are cleaning the garage out right now, getting everything together to pull the motor. Hopefully it is nothing major. As long as I don't have to replace the block it will be back up and running real quick.

Cooter

11-22-2003, 12:50 PM

sucks to hear that Chad... :(

how high do you think you twisted it? what's your rev limiter set at?

Forrest

98DSM

11-22-2003, 12:57 PM

:( sorry to hear that Chad. I got a little scare myself last weekend. Logger showed I revved to 9K (stock bottom end), but a TPS for a brief instant of 94% then it tapered off to 0%(about a .3 sec span)....the TT recorded 9990 :eek: but I know I never went that high as I was watching the RPM's the whole time. Seems I ran over something at the track at the top of 3rd gear since I heard this clunk noise from the back of the car. Hopefully you will have yours fixed in no time.

StangTamer

11-22-2003, 01:05 PM

Originally posted by Forrest
sucks to hear that Chad... :(

how high do you think you twisted it? what's your rev limiter set at?

Forrest

The motor peaks 6500rpm. The closest pill I had for the rev limiter was 7000rpm(I have been meaning to get another pill). It was pretty weird because when I shifted from 2nd to 3rd at 6500 it just started banging and the tach went up to 7000+rpms. The tach jumped up, down and up and then it finally shifted. I am starting to wonder if my rev limiter even worked, because I could have swore that I saw the needle hit 7500rpms.

93 Blk Coupe

11-22-2003, 01:08 PM

dam chad that sucks to hear that bro, hope it isnt too bad...

46fever

11-22-2003, 03:08 PM

Don't worry man we will get it u and running soon. Atleast no parts atre hanging out!;)

mikeb

11-22-2003, 05:04 PM

Sorry Chad. Hopefully it's just a stacked rod bearing :(

Osiris

11-22-2003, 05:48 PM

Sorry to hear that man, but on the bright side, you got a new best, and when you get it back up, you'll be faster than that. That is assuming you address the traction issue.

StangTamer

11-22-2003, 05:50 PM

We have it ready to pull right now. When we drained the oil there is some pretty good size metal shavings on the drain plug. I see some copper in there so it tells me that it is "just" a bearing. To soon to tell if it is any worse. I'll keep you posted.

Bad89stang

11-22-2003, 06:02 PM

Time for that new pill. Could have been worse. Hope it gets back on the road soon.

StangTamer

11-22-2003, 06:03 PM

Originally posted by SilverOH3SVT
Sorry to hear that man, but on the bright side, you got a new best, and when you get it back up, you'll be faster than that. That is assuming you address the traction issue.

Thanks, it's not much of a best though(I expect it to run much better than that even with the traction issues.). But, I guess it is better than running worse. It just upsets me that I messed it up this soon due to operator error. It is too hard to try and get use to a car that has sloppy traction issues. I knew I should have done alot of things different to keep this from happening. But, coulda, shoulda, woulda. I had the hard way. I blame myself for this one, not the machine shop or anyone who has helped out with working on the car.

Relinquished

11-22-2003, 06:06 PM

here is a pic of the oil plug:eek:

Relinquished

11-22-2003, 06:14 PM

post more as they are made

jw33

11-22-2003, 06:42 PM

I could have sworn I saw sparks come out from underneath your car on the starting line on one of your passes. What's up with that?

StangTamer

11-22-2003, 07:26 PM

Originally posted by jw33
I could have sworn I saw sparks come out from underneath your car on the starting line on one of your passes. What's up with that?

Are you talking last night? Did it do it again?:mad: My converter bolts loosened up on me I thought that might have been the problem. I will check that out as well.

jw33

11-22-2003, 08:04 PM

It was last night, but I thought I was seeing things....

StangTamer

11-22-2003, 08:38 PM

Originally posted by jw33
It was last night, but I thought I was seeing things....

Well, it was throwing sparks before, so you probably weren't seeing things. It's either my starter or converter causing it. I will have to check it out again.

fordracing19

11-22-2003, 10:35 PM

chad i saw some sparks also on launch. you car sure sounded good. Hope its up and running soon.

76 Maverick

11-23-2003, 08:36 AM

Originally posted by 98DSM
Seems I ran over something at the track at the top of 3rd gear since I heard this clunk noise from the back of the car.

Oh snap!!!! Hey did chad's battery fall out at the track again? :p

Seriously though, that sucks that you broke it before i got to see it run. Good luck on a fast rebuild.

Osiris

11-23-2003, 08:46 AM

Originally posted by StangTamer
Thanks, it's not much of a best though(I expect it to run much better than that even with the traction issues.). But, I guess it is better than running worse. It just upsets me that I messed it up this soon due to operator error. It is too hard to try and get use to a car that has sloppy traction issues. I knew I should have done alot of things different to keep this from happening. But, coulda, shoulda, woulda. I had the hard way. I blame myself for this one, not the machine shop or anyone who has helped out with working on the car.

It happens man. Don't beat yourself to death over it. Take your time, get this thing done, and ignore the pressure the other members give you.:D

I'd like to see some 5's:eek:

StangTamer

11-23-2003, 10:42 AM

Well, we got the motor out and tore into it. There is bearing pieces all over the place.:( I am hating life right now.

OvrKill

11-23-2003, 11:03 AM

Originally posted by StangTamer
Well, we got the motor out and tore into it. There is bearing pieces all over the place.:( I am hating life right now.

crap, do you think the block is gone? :(

Big Thumper

11-23-2003, 11:09 AM

That does suck!

On a good thought, you and Andrew should get them running again about the same time now!

StangTamer

11-23-2003, 05:07 PM

Originally posted by OvrKill
crap, do you think the block is gone? :(

Well, it looks like I will have to bore the motor, replace 1 rod, the crank could be turned but I am just going to buy a new one. I will need to buy new rings and pistons now though because I am going to have to bore it, unless I can find another block.:mad: Regardless this is probably going to be a $2500.00+ mistake on my behalf. This sucks.

93 Blk Coupe

11-23-2003, 05:15 PM

dang thats sucks, according to your cheerleader i guess you should be taken off the list now...:p

dragradialstang

11-23-2003, 05:36 PM

Sorry to hear that!

mikeb

11-23-2003, 06:41 PM

How bad is the fugged up cylinder bore? Can you sleeve it?

Can you tell what went first?

:(

StangTamer

11-23-2003, 07:17 PM

Originally posted by mikeb
How bad is the fugged up cylinder bore? Can you sleeve it?

Can you tell what went first?

:(

I won't need to sleeve it, just bore it. It just got scuffed up enough to where I want to bore it. The problem was my pick up came off of my pump and caused a bearing to spin.

93LXHORSE

11-23-2003, 07:23 PM

Originally posted by StangTamer
I won't need to sleeve it, just bore it. It just got scuffed up enough to where I want to bore it. The problem was my pick up came off of my pump and caused a bearing to spin.

Damn Chad, sorry to hear it.

Can you blame it on Relinquished somehow?

StangTamer

11-23-2003, 07:24 PM

Originally posted by 93LXHORSE
Damn Chad, sorry to hear it.

Can you blame it on Relinquished somehow?

No, it's all on me.

dragradialstang

11-23-2003, 07:24 PM

Originally posted by 93LXHORSE
Damn Chad, sorry to hear it.

Can you blame it on Relinquished somehow? lol!

SLOW 77

11-23-2003, 09:11 PM

Was your pickup not bolted to the bottom of it? I think mine is, as the Canton pan has a different pick up, if not I must have welded it, but it has been to long to remember. That makes more sence now on what happened, to destroy all the bearings so quickly. Hope you can get it fixed soon.

Jetfast50

11-23-2003, 11:04 PM

Was that a Stock rod chad? How bad was it twisted? When was the last time you changed the oil before this trip to the track? The oil could have excess fuel in it, and washed out the bearings.

Relinquished

11-23-2003, 11:23 PM

Originally posted by Jetfast50
Was that a Stock rod chad? How bad was it twisted? When was the last time you changed the oil before this trip to the track? The oil could have excess fuel in it, and washed out the bearings.

They were Eagle H-beam rods. It was the number 5 rod. It wasn't twisted, the rod bolts were trying to pull out though and it looks like it got real hot since it turned blue. I change the oil everytime out. The cause was the pick up came out of the oil pump and it couldn't pump any oil causing the bearing to go to hell.

<----StangTamer

Cooter

11-24-2003, 01:28 AM

man, why don't you sleeve that hole? way cheaper than buying a new set of 8 pistons!!

Forrest

StangTamer

11-24-2003, 01:35 AM

Originally posted by Forrest
man, why don't you sleeve that hole? way cheaper than buying a new set of 8 pistons!!

Forrest

Because, multiple cylinders are like that. There's no easy way out. Either I find another block or buy new pistons. After it is all said and done pistons look cheaper.

Cooter

11-24-2003, 02:19 AM

damn, I didn't realize multiple holes were jacked up...

sucks to hear... :(

Forrest

Hankman

11-24-2003, 10:28 AM

LMAO @ the Cheerleader Pic..

Sorry to hear that Chad

46Tbird

11-24-2003, 11:21 AM

Damn that sucks man! :(

Does Pontiac work the same way as Chevrolet, with a press-fit on the oil pump pickup? Maybe it could use a spot weld to keep it in place next time..

Anyways, that sucks big time, and I hope it doesn't cost ~$2500 like you think it will. :( Let me know if there's anything you need (besides money! ;) ).

GR8WHITE

11-24-2003, 12:22 PM

Originally posted by StangTamer
Thanks guys. John, we are cleaning the garage out right now, getting everything together to pull the motor. Hopefully it is nothing major. As long as I don't have to replace the block it will be back up and running real quick.

Sorry to hear about your troubles. Get that thing up and running soon! Hope it is just the bearings....

Cooter

11-24-2003, 12:30 PM

Originally posted by GR8WHITE
Sorry to hear about your troubles. Get that thing up and running soon! Hope it is just the bearings....

not much of a reader are ya?

GR8WHITE

11-24-2003, 12:34 PM

Originally posted by Forrest
not much of a reader are ya?

oops, I skipped a few posts! Anyways, sorry about your troubles Chad....

Beej

11-24-2003, 02:08 PM

well that sucks man, I guess it will be cheaper to throw an ls1 in there.

AL P

11-24-2003, 03:30 PM

How in the heck is it going to cost $2500? New pistons are $600, weigh one of your old ones and you won't even have to rebalance anything. Then get you a block and have it machined and you are in good shape.

46fever

11-24-2003, 03:38 PM

his crank is fucked, he needs one rod and 8 pistons and a block , I think he is just figuring the cost of the machine work and a whole new rotating assembly. He should put an ls1 , hell it would be faster! lol and there pickup tubes bolt on.:D

mikeb

11-24-2003, 03:58 PM

Originally posted by 46fever
his crank is fucked, he needs one rod and 8 pistons and a block , I think he is just figuring the cost of the machine work and a whole new rotating assembly. He should put an ls1 , hell it would be faster! lol and there pickup tubes bolt on.:D

Rotating assy -> $1820 (KRE)

Block -> Hard to come by, $$$ :( Best blocks were made before 1975 so you're looking for a 30 year or older block

Were the cam bearing journals burned up? -> $300 for a new cam.

Machine work, gaskets, oil pump, etc. More $$$.

and so on.

StangTamer

11-24-2003, 07:57 PM

Andrew

11-24-2003, 08:36 PM

That sucks man. Good luck getting it back together!

BTW, are we still up for that rematch with the blower?

StangTamer

11-24-2003, 08:58 PM

Originally posted by AL P
How in the heck is it going to cost $2500? New pistons are $600, weigh one of your old ones and you won't even have to rebalance anything. Then get you a block and have it machined and you are in good shape.

I have found an alternate route that might save me some money so it might not to bad.. We will see how things go, I guess.

StangTamer

11-24-2003, 09:00 PM

Originally posted by Andrew
That sucks man. Good luck getting it back together!

BTW, are we still up for that rematch with the blower?

Thanks. Sure put it on. I'll be ready.

Andrew

11-24-2003, 09:12 PM

Wanna race this weekend?

Relinquished

11-24-2003, 09:17 PM

Originally posted by Andrew
Wanna race this weekend? :rolleyes:

Andrew

11-24-2003, 09:25 PM

I can race this weekend.

Relinquished

11-24-2003, 09:33 PM

Originally posted by Andrew
I can race this weekend. really

Andrew

11-24-2003, 09:36 PM

Originally posted by Relinquished
really

really

StangTamer

11-24-2003, 10:41 PM

Originally posted by Andrew
Wanna race this weekend?

Sure. Have you Mustang ready.

Andrew

11-24-2003, 11:14 PM

I'm ready to race.

pacerunner44

11-25-2003, 12:06 AM

Tried Ebay? I found a couple 400 engines there? I could check some of the Pontic Yahoo Groups for a block if you need something closer. What motor do you have in there? Good luck Stangtamer. I was hoping to see it running one of these days.

Btw, any of you Pontiac guys have a holley 600 w/electric choke you want to sale. My carb is shot and I need another to get my car running again. ? sure if it's square bore or not so I'd have to pull it in order to tell.