LS1 Hybrid Suggestions

[Boss Hogg]

What would you suggest is the best lightweight vehicle to transplant a LS1? Obviously, I'm looking for a front engine/rear drive vehicle. Is there a website that has vehicle weights? I want something cheap and lightweight. It can be as ugly as sin and gutted to lexan windows, but it HAS to be cheap.

[Andrew]

A buddy of mine is putting an LS1 in an RX7....

Originally posted by David Z28
What would you suggest is the best lightweight vehicle to transplant a LS1? Obviously, I'm looking for a front engine/rear drive vehicle. Is there a website that has vehicle weights? I want something cheap and lightweight. It can be as ugly as sin and gutted to lexan windows, but it HAS to be cheap.

[dragradialstang]

Vega, Its still a Chevy

Rwd Civic LOL!

[superlopez]

A boat ...

It would make a great anchor....













You had to see that one coming:D

[STANGGT40]

Juiced89lx had a rolling coupe with some weight reduction performed...that would be perfect.:cool:

by the way, how much can you get a LS1, complete from intake to oil pan, with a stock tranny, wiring, and computer for?

brad

[YoBro]

Freak Z is doing the RX7 ...you may want to contact him and see what info he has

[Monsoon X]

Originally posted by STANGGT40
Juiced89lx had a rolling coupe with some weight reduction performed...that would be perfect.:cool:

by the way, how much can you get a LS1, complete from intake to oil pan, with a stock tranny, wiring, and computer for?

brad

It depends on where you look. I got my complete engine sans wiring harness, coil packs and computer for $1300 :)

[STANGGT40]

Originally posted by Monsoon X
It depends on where you look. I got my complete engine sans wiring harness, coil packs and computer for $1300 :)

was that the engine only or the engine and tranny?

brad

[Boss Hogg]

Originally posted by Andrew
A buddy of mine is putting an LS1 in an RX7....

Originally posted by YoBro
Freak Z is doing the RX7 ...you may want to contact him and see what info he has

Same person aka Chris Jennings? Or are there two projects in the DFW area?

DRS, what's the weight/price of a Vega?

Guys, keep in mind the LS1 is approx 80 lbs lighter than a iron small block.

[Monsoon X]

Originally posted by STANGGT40
was that the engine only or the engine and tranny?

brad

Oh. I didn't notice you had the tranny in there also.

Most places want a core but, I think you can get a 4l65E from GM for around $1500 brand new. (I could be wrong though)

[STANGGT40]

Originally posted by Monsoon X
Oh. I didn't notice you had the tranny in there also.

Most places want a core but, I think you can get a 4l65E from GM for around $1500 brand new. (I could be wrong though)

hmm...i've got the perfect car for the transplant, but the wife says that i have to sell one mustang, if i want to do this. right now, i've got the '00 GT and '95 GT, aside from this particular car ('88 GT) i've got a lot of work into the '95, not completed yet, so i don't want to sell it, and i have a ton of money in that money pit...i mean '00 gt, so i don't want to sell it.:( from what you're saying, though, it really wouldn't cost that much to build a really nice fox/LS1 hybrid...so it's really tempting. it would be even better to buy that guy's longblock that AL P posted about, a few days ago. (i think that it was Jay Johnson's)... wouldn't this car be great for a LS1 transplant...

http://www.dfwstangs.net/hosting/STANGGT40/88gt.jpg

brad

[YoBro]

Originally posted by David Z28
Same person aka Chris Jennings? Or are there two projects in the DFW area?


Thats who im talking about, Im not sure if Andrew is.

[lowthreeohz]

i read somewhere that a company from california makes the fox K member that'll allow an LS1 to bolt right up.

Shit, if you guys wanna do it, we can use my coupe for the project car ;)

[Leif]

There is a guy that put an LS1 into a porsche 914. They can be had on ebay for around 2-3000 dollars. Rear engine, rear wheel drive and 1800 lbs.

[Monsoon X]

Originally posted by STANGGT40
hmm...i've got the perfect car for the transplant, but the wife says that i have to sell one mustang, if i want to do this. right now, i've got the '00 GT and '95 GT, aside from this particular car ('88 GT) i've got a lot of work into the '95, not completed yet, so i don't want to sell it, and i have a ton of money in that money pit...i mean '00 gt, so i don't want to sell it.:( from what you're saying, though, it really wouldn't cost that much to build a really nice fox/LS1 hybrid...so it's really tempting. it would be even better to buy that guy's longblock that AL P posted about, a few days ago. (i think that it was Jay Johnson's)... wouldn't this car be great for a LS1 transplant...

http://www.dfwstangs.net/hosting/STANGGT40/88gt.jpg

brad

It wouldn't be expensive at all. If my funds hadn't gotten tight, I'd be doing it to Byron's GT right now. :(

Shoot 346 LS1 heads/cam packages are making 450rwhp N/A through the 6spds right now. And 425-430 through the autos. I run 7.30s w/ 360rwhp in a 3380lb car. Imagine a little light sucker w/ 420rwhp. :)

Make sure you retain the diag. port so you can easily edit the computer.

[lowthreeohz]

i already said we can put it in my coupe for free! it'll be fun! :D

[STANGGT40]

Originally posted by lowthreeohz
i read somewhere that a company from california makes the fox K member that'll allow an LS1 to bolt right up.


do you remember the name of the company?

[lowthreeohz]

Originally posted by STANGGT40
do you remember the name of the company?

Nope, but i know someone who may. I'll ask them and get back to you on it.

[STANGGT40]

Originally posted by lowthreeohz
Nope, but i know someone who may. I'll ask them and get back to you on it.

thanks, man! let me know if you find something out.:)

[302_plus_a_few]

Early Chevy II is what I would go for but they are going to be a tough find.

Some guy used to have a blown 350 in a 280Z. I think you can even get kits for those.

[Cooter]

dude, if you put it in anything other than a foxbody you're nuts...

LIGHT, STRONG, TONS of aftermarket parts literally just floating around...

you should be able to pick up an early coupe shell for a couple hundred bucks... if this is a track only car, you shouldn't have any trouble getting the car down into the 2200lb range.

and the swap has been done...

step into the light my son. :p

Forrest

[Monsoon X]

Originally posted by Forrest
dude, if you put it in anything other than a foxbody you're nuts...

LIGHT, STRONG, TONS of aftermarket parts literally just floating around...

you should be able to pick up an early coupe shell for a couple hundred bucks... if this is a track only car, you shouldn't have any trouble getting the car down into the 2200lb range.

and the swap has been done...

step into the light my son. :p

Forrest

True. I'd use nothing but a Fox chassis. You got all the parts available. You're gonna need cheap, rollbars, rear end/suspension parts.

[exlude]

My buddy and I put a first gen 350 into a '78 280z. It's a pretty easy swap and he weighed in at 2860 with full interior. I think it's a little easier to do than the RX7 as the engine bay is a little bigger.

www.jagsthatrun.com has most everything you need for a datsun...

www.engineswaps.com has most everything you need for the rx7...

[STANGGT40]

RX7 with an LS1!

http://www.hinsonsupercars.com/Dsc00009.jpg

[lowthreeohz]

Originally posted by Forrest
dude, if you put it in anything other than a foxbody you're nuts...

LIGHT, STRONG, TONS of aftermarket parts literally just floating around...

you should be able to pick up an early coupe shell for a couple hundred bucks... if this is a track only car, you shouldn't have any trouble getting the car down into the 2200lb range.

and the swap has been done...

step into the light my son. :p

Forrest

MY COUPE DAMMIT!!!! ;)

[SNEAKY]

Vega coupe or a datsun Z car.

[STANGGT40]

here's a link to a bunch of people on LS1tech.com that have done, or are in the process of, some LS1 hybrids.

http://www.ls1tech.com/threads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB21&Number=304502&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=93&fpart=1

brad

[Juiced89lx]

Hey David, I think MattB is selling his 4 eye coupe. It had alot of weight removed from it also. It used to belong to Forrest, so you can imagine how light it is. ;)

[PWTRTXSS]

Porsche 944.

[exlude]

Here is the project we did (except dif carb on there now):

http://www.dfwstangs.net/hosting/exlude/zmotor2small.jpg

[turbostang]

VEGA

<---------waiting for DRS' comment :rolleyes:

[32VfromHell]

new mini! wOOt!

[Boss Hogg]

Originally posted by lowthreeohz
i already said we can put it in my coupe for free! it'll be fun! :D
Cool, I'll be over next weekend to pick up the car. Just put the title in the glovebox.

Thanks, Dave.

[Boss Hogg]

Originally posted by Forrest
if this is a track only car, you shouldn't have any trouble getting the car down into the 2200lb range.
2200 lbs. with motor/tranny/rearend?

[SNEAKY]

Originally posted by David Z28
2200 lbs. with motor/tranny/rearend?


you question the holesaw/Zasaw king:eek:

[Cooter]

Originally posted by David Z28
2200 lbs. with motor/tranny/rearend?

and cage! :D

[46Tbird]

:eek: FIVE pounds per HP :eek:

[JohnTheAggie]

For the ultimate open track car, you could try this:

LS1 BMW 3-series (http://www.vorshlag.com/E36ProjectBook.asp)

[bingo13]

David,

I did one of these with a LT1, wish the LS1 had been out at the time now along with these kits. The car screamed, looked almost stock, and would have sold for a fortune after the F&F craze.

LS1 Fiero (http://www.v8archie.com/v8fiero.htm)

[dragradialstang]

Here David 2nd post in this thread. (http://www.dfwstangs.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=123322)

[CamaroTypeLT]

S10 - a friend of mine has one with a 400 in it, cage, all glass (except for the rear window), 1 seat and it weighs 2640. There is ALOT of extra weight that can still be taken off of it. They are a dime a dozen. You can build a decent rearend for one for less than $400 and put on any rear suspention you could dream of real eazy. :D

[98DSM]

Originally posted by Andrew
A buddy of mine is putting an LS1 in an RX7....

That is what I would do if I had the money.

[exlude]

Do an LS-1 into a Volvo...I believe www.jagsthatrun.com makes that kit too...

[bsharer]

'80's Cutlass Supreme...with a vinyl top!

An Astro van would be PIMP too.

Mid 80's RX7.

[ALLAN]

http://splortch.no-ip.com/cars/240z-1.jpg

[Cooter]

he's building a track-only drag car... an old fox coupe makes the most sense... TONS of suspension/chassis parts out there dirt cheap... light and sturdy unibody... you shouldn't pay more than $100-200 for a rolling shell... etc. etc. etc.

anything else will be pissin' into the wind IMHO.

Forrest

[Cooter]

oh, and the swap's been done recently LOCALLY... no exotic headers to buy, no custom crossmembers, etc. etc.

Forrest

[Boss Hogg]

Originally posted by Forrest
he's building a track-only drag car... an old fox coupe makes the most sense... TONS of suspension/chassis parts out there dirt cheap... light and sturdy unibody... you shouldn't pay more than $100-200 for a rolling shell... etc. etc. etc.

anything else will be pissin' into the wind IMHO.

Forrest
True, true. A beautiful Chevy engine in a Ferd kinda wigs me out. The Chevy II would have been a little more classy but it's hard to resist the pros of a Fox body.

[Monsoon X]

Originally posted by David Z28
True, true. A beautiful Chevy engine in a Ferd kinda wigs me out. The Chevy II would have been a little more classy but it's hard to resist the pros of a Fox body.

D- You're a smart cheap man. We knew you would eventually see that the Fox platform is the most feasible.

You can even get relatively cheap, Lexan windows for the little coupe.

[CamaroTypeLT]

You must resist inter-manufacturer mingling! It just isn't right....lol.

I still say the S-10 is the way to go. Hell the only suspention mods you need on that is Cal-tracks. It is also a full frame vehicle which makes it much more ridged than the Stang. What you would save in suspention upgrades for the Mustang you could put twords a better rearend for the truck and still come out ahead.

[Boss Hogg]

School me on S10 vs. Fox body.

What would the weight of each be with no interior, lexan, cage, without motor and tranny?

[CamaroTypeLT]

As I said before. My friend has one with a 400 in it with iron heads, no wheel wells, 1 seat, roll bar, lexan back window only (just to get around the cage), Other than that it still has the factory dash, useing all the factory gauges, factory steel hood, still has the tail gate on it and with him in it it weighs 2640. There is still ALOT of weight that can be taken off of it. IE: door pannels, gut the doors, put in lexan side windows and windshield, remove tail gate, fiberglass hood, gut the dash, fiberglass bumpers, etc..... It wouldn't be real hard to get that thing down to at least 2300 - 2200 with an LS1 motor in it and a full cage. The LS1 bolts into the same motor mounts as any other Chevrolet motor so a regular V8 conversion kit will work great. As for the rearend, since it is a leafspring truck you can put ANY rearend in it for next to nothing. My friend went and pulled a 8.5 10 bolt out of a second gen Camaro and had it cut down to the stock S10 rearend length, pulled the stock 28 spline axles out of a late 80's S10 rearend and put them in (since they are the same spline as any other 8.5 rearend) then put in a $99 minni spool and some 4:10 gears. The hole thing cost right around $400 total. The only part that you might have to get creative on is the headers but other than that everything is increadably easy and cheap.

The Mustang you would have to get subframe connectors, lower controll arms, upper controll arms, and tubular K-frame just to get started. From that point most everything would be about the same. With the Mustang you have to do a little beating on the wheel wells to fit a 28 X10.5 slick (not that it is a big deal) but they will fit on the S10 with no modifications at all. You will also want to convert over to 5 lug on the Mustang (At least in the rear) where the S10 already comes with 5 lug. In the end I am not sure which would be lighter. Sounds to me like you would have to "get creative with a hole saw to get the Mustang as light as the S10.

Something else to think about both vehicles use pretty much the same type rear shocks but the Mustang useses struts up front. The 90/10 struts cost alot more than the regular 90/10 shocks. There are tons of nick picky things that would cost more or less through out the whole deal but in the end you would come out with less money invested with the S10 and a lighter vehicle to work with.

[Monsoon X]

But do you really want a truck David?

[turbostang]

Originally posted by CamaroTypeLT
As I said before. My friend has one with a 400 in it with iron heads, no wheel wells, 1 seat, roll bar, lexan back window only (just to get around the cage), Other than that it still has the factory dash, useing all the factory gauges, factory steel hood, still has the tail gate on it and with him in it it weighs 2640. There is still ALOT of weight that can be taken off of it. IE: door pannels, gut the doors, put in lexan side windows and windshield, remove tail gate, fiberglass hood, gut the dash, fiberglass bumpers, etc..... It wouldn't be real hard to get that thing down to at least 2300 - 2200 with an LS1 motor in it and a full cage. The LS1 bolts into the same motor mounts as any other Chevrolet motor so a regular V8 conversion kit will work great. As for the rearend, since it is a leafspring truck you can put ANY rearend in it for next to nothing. My friend went and pulled a 8.5 10 bolt out of a second gen Camaro and had it cut down to the stock S10 rearend length, pulled the stock 28 spline axles out of a late 80's S10 rearend and put them in (since they are the same spline as any other 8.5 rearend) then put in a $99 minni spool and some 4:10 gears. The hole thing cost right around $400 total. The only part that you might have to get creative on is the headers but other than that everything is increadably easy and cheap.

The Mustang you would have to get subframe connectors, lower controll arms, upper controll arms, and tubular K-frame just to get started. From that point most everything would be about the same. With the Mustang you have to do a little beating on the wheel wells to fit a 28 X10.5 slick (not that it is a big deal) but they will fit on the S10 with no modifications at all. You will also want to convert over to 5 lug on the Mustang (At least in the rear) where the S10 already comes with 5 lug. In the end I am not sure which would be lighter. Sounds to me like you would have to "get creative with a hole saw to get the Mustang as light as the S10.

Something else to think about both vehicles use pretty much the same type rear shocks but the Mustang useses struts up front. The 90/10 struts cost alot more than the regular 90/10 shocks. There are tons of nick picky things that would cost more or less through out the whole deal but in the end you would come out with less money invested with the S10 and a lighter vehicle to work with.


28 X 10's will not fit on a S10 with out sticking out the sides ( I had one)... Like you said your self.. there are no off the shelf headers for this app. which would mean custom headers, which would most likely cost in the neighborhood of 1000$ or more..Like mentioned earlier.. FOX body is the way to go because of the off the shelf available suspension parts. Are there any S10's running around with off the shelf parts that 60ft. in the 1.2x-1.3x range?NOPE.

[46Tbird]

LT, you are crazy.

This (http://www.jagsthatrun.com/Pages/Chevrolet_S-10_V-8.html) truck is described below:
As shown, this truck weighs over 3500 lbs and gained about 270 lbs from the conversion: 160 lbs on the front axle and 110 lbs on the rear axle. The V-8 added about 190 lbs, the five-speed weighs about 35 lbs more than the original 5-speed, and the dual exhaust weighs 35 lbs more than the original exhaust; the battery was relocated to the rear to improve weight distribution. This transfers about 35 lbs off the front wheels and onto the rear wheels. A gear-reduction starter and an aluminum water pump reduce engine weight (and front-end weight) by about 15 lbs.

We have seen magazine articles which state the V-8 conversion only adds about 100 lbs to the vehicle. You should realize that these claims are not true. Most people do not realize how much weight the conversion adds because with the correct heavy duty shocks, it is barely noticeable in normal driving.
NO WAY your friends' truck is less than 2700 with him in it with all-steel panels, even with a gutted interior.

David, do the Mustang if you really want a cheap platform that is light and easy to find chassis performance parts for.

[Monsoon X]

S-10s are Bugly! Get the Fox

[CamaroTypeLT]

Originally posted by turbostang
28 X 10's will not fit on a S10 with out sticking out the sides ( I had one)... Like you said your self.. there are no off the shelf headers for this app. which would mean custom headers, which would most likely cost in the neighborhood of 1000$ or more..Like mentioned earlier.. FOX body is the way to go because of the off the shelf available suspension parts. Are there any S10's running around with off the shelf parts that 60ft. in the 1.2x-1.3x range?NOPE.

There are only a few companies that build headers for that much. You can build your own for ALOT less than that. To tell you the truth I think the F-body headers would work in the truck. the frame rails are not to differant there. As for the 28 X 10.5 slicks, They are on/under Larrys truck with a stock wheel well and he gets 1.4 to 1.5 60 foots all day long with just bolt on slapper bars on motor. Put a bottle on it and some cal-tracs and you will have your 1.3 - 1.2 60 foots with bolt on traction devices. There are full bodied 2nd gen Camaros that 60 foot like that all day long with Cal-tracks or the CE slid-a-link bars so what makes you think a light ass S10 couldn't do it?

[turbostang]

Originally posted by CamaroTypeLT
Put a bottle on it and some cal-tracs and you will have your 1.3 - 1.2 60 foots with bolt on traction devices.

A 28X10 maaaaay fit with it sticking out the sides.. I'll give ya that.. but a "light in the ass" truck is not gonna go from 1.5X 60ft. times to 1.3's and I gaurantee it will not get anywhere near 1.2anything. Not on 28X10's with "leafsprings" and "caltracs".

[KECHME]

I have a LS1 engine/transmission for sale. It has a set of stage one heads and TR224 cam already installed. The car made 38X at the wheels. The tranny is a 6 speed with a new factory clutch. I am looking to get $3500 for the whole shooting match. The whole combo is still in the car so you can hear it run, the car is wrecked so no test driving though.

[CamaroTypeLT]

Originally posted by 46Tbird
LT, you are crazy.

This (http://www.jagsthatrun.com/Pages/Chevrolet_S-10_V-8.html) truck is described below:

NO WAY your friends' truck is less than 2700 with him in it with all-steel panels, even with a gutted interior.

David, do the Mustang if you really want a cheap platform that is light and easy to find chassis performance parts for.

you are compairing a truck with everything on it and a freaking camper on the rear to a midly stripped race truck. here is the truck I am talking about. Larry Parks (http://www.dragtruck.com/ENTRIES/JKF2VPAH2X9I.html)

I was wrong he gets 1.5 60 foots on motor. all though his best is lower than what is posted at the moment. The tires are 29X10 now but were 28X10.5 before. As a matter of fact we still have the old 28X10.5s that came off the truck.

Here is an S10 that gets 1.31 60 foot times with cal-tracs. Lewis Jones (http://www.dragtruck.com/ENTRIES/QVSR2V57S9EQ.html) this is also a street truck that runs on pump gas.

[Cooter]

Originally posted by CamaroTypeLT
You must resist inter-manufacturer mingling! It just isn't right....lol.

I still say the S-10 is the way to go. Hell the only suspention mods you need on that is Cal-tracks. It is also a full frame vehicle which makes it much more ridged than the Stang. What you would save in suspention upgrades for the Mustang you could put twords a better rearend for the truck and still come out ahead.

I know of an inter-manufacturer mingled car that would gladly hand you your ass... whatever gets down the track the fastest for the least money is RIGHT!! :D

once you put a cage in a fox body, it's gonna be plenty rigid, and it'll be way lighter!!! the mustang COMES with a good rear end!!

and what headers were you planning on using again?!? you know a good set of custom headers will cost you anywhere from $800-1500, right? the fox swap uses a pair of headers you can buy for a couple hundred bucks. yes, they need to be modified SLIGHTLY for obvious reasons, but no big deal at all!!!

step out of the box David... what recent platform has THE LARGEST aftermarket? FOX BODY...

you're talking about a car that could get pretty serious... I contend that there's no cheaper platform to build a bolt-together 8-9 sec car than a fox...

I'm surprised you're unsure about this... you thrive on getting under peoples' skin... this way you can piss off BOTH camps!! :D

Forrest

[lowthreeohz]

Originally posted by Forrest
I know of an inter-manufacturer mingled car that would gladly hand you your ass... whatever gets down the track the fastest for the least money is RIGHT!! :D

once you put a cage in a fox body, it's gonna be plenty rigid, and it'll be way lighter!!! the mustang COMES with a good rear end!!

and what headers were you planning on using again?!? you know a good set of custom headers will cost you anywhere from $800-1500, right? the fox swap uses a pair of headers you can buy for a couple hundred bucks. yes, they need to be modified SLIGHTLY for obvious reasons, but no big deal at all!!!

step out of the box David... what recent platform has THE LARGEST aftermarket? FOX BODY...

you're talking about a car that could get pretty serious... I contend that there's no cheaper platform to build a bolt-together 8-9 sec car than a fox...

I'm surprised you're unsure about this... you thrive on getting under peoples' skin... this way you can piss off BOTH camps!! :D

Forrest

the car in my sig owns yours, forrest.

[CamaroTypeLT]

Originally posted by Forrest
I know of an inter-manufacturer mingled car that would gladly hand you your ass... whatever gets down the track the fastest for the least money is RIGHT!! :D

once you put a cage in a fox body, it's gonna be plenty rigid, and it'll be way lighter!!! the mustang COMES with a good rear end!!

and what headers were you planning on using again?!? you know a good set of custom headers will cost you anywhere from $800-1500, right? the fox swap uses a pair of headers you can buy for a couple hundred bucks. yes, they need to be modified SLIGHTLY for obvious reasons, but no big deal at all!!!

step out of the box David... what recent platform has THE LARGEST aftermarket? FOX BODY...

you're talking about a car that could get pretty serious... I contend that there's no cheaper platform to build a bolt-together 8-9 sec car than a fox...

I'm surprised you're unsure about this... you thrive on getting under peoples' skin... this way you can piss off BOTH camps!! :D

Forrest

yes I am aware of what bad ass custom headers cost but I am also aware of how to build them myself and how to "make" something work. With enough enginuity and a little creativity he can make them faily easily. Hell, Sean Burt is putting an LS1 in his Luv truck right now. So this swap is already underway around here also. The S10 has a little more room under the hood and around the frame rails than the Luv truck does which just makes it easier. I am not trying to change anyones minde here I am just offering up an alternative.

[Cooter]

Originally posted by CamaroTypeLT
yes I am aware of what bad ass custom headers cost but I am also aware of how to build them myself and how to "make" something work. With enough enginuity and a little creativity he can make them faily easily. Hell, Sean Burt is putting an LS1 in his Luv truck right now. So this swap is already underway around here also. The S10 has a little more room under the hood and around the frame rails than the Luv truck does which just makes it easier. I am not trying to change anyones minde here I am just offering up an alternative.

cool, nothing wrong w/ that... I'd be interested to see what he does for headers... one of the main reasons I was pushing towards the fox is because the swap has just been done locally, and David would be able to go, check it out, and talk w/ the guy who did it.

looks like if you set 'em up right, the S-10's can hook! not really "arguing" w/ you, just giving my opinion...

either way he goes, it'll haul ass when it's finished.

Forrest

[CamaroTypeLT]

Originally posted by Forrest
cool, nothing wrong w/ that... I'd be interested to see what he does for headers... one of the main reasons I was pushing towards the fox is because the swap has just been done locally, and David would be able to go, check it out, and talk w/ the guy who did it.

looks like if you set 'em up right, the S-10's can hook! not really "arguing" w/ you, just giving my opinion...

either way he goes, it'll haul ass when it's finished.

Forrest

This is very true. Of course it is not hard to get some thing that is light as hell, has an all aluminum V8 and 15 degree heads to be fast....lol.

[46Tbird]

If you cut off the original flanges on a set of SBF headers, you can weld on a set of LS1 flanges and they will bolt up to the LS1. The spacing between the exhaust ports is the same.

Thank you, that is all.

[Cooter]

Originally posted by 46Tbird
If you cut off the original flanges on a set of SBF headers, you can weld on a set of LS1 flanges and they will bolt up to the LS1. The spacing between the exhaust ports is the same.

Thank you, that is all.

yup, I discovered that one by myself! :D

[46Tbird]

You're the one that told me! :D

[CamaroTypeLT]

Originally posted by 46Tbird
Thank you, that is all.

your welcome :rolleyes:

I see you are getting the hang of the fabrication game also... congrats. :D

[46Tbird]

no no no.. "thank you" as in, "thank you for your time"

I'm just letting everyone know! :D

[CamaroTypeLT]

ahhh I see.... was lost in the interpritation. Looked like a smart ass remark from here. Is cool though... :D

[Silver99LS1]

Andrew is talking about me too. I'm going to get started on the RX7 project pretty soon. I have the RX7, just need to do the work. :) As soon as I am done with this one, I have another LS1 hybrid I am going to do. I plan to build one a year.

[46Tbird]

Silver - I think you mean "You're" in your Title. :)

[CrashStitches]

The things you see when you hang around Speedtek after hours...

my vote is for a Fairmont wagon! :D

I'd have to go Fox for an LS1 swap, if I didn't decide to go thirdgen first...

[dragradialstang]

I don't know about that S10 weight?

[AL P]

How about an LS1 in a Mazda Miata, that would be some sick shit. They do the 5.0 conversion so it can be done somehow.

[4DRSS]

I always thought a LS1 powered, 6 speed Cobra kit car would kick some serious ass :cool:

[CamaroTypeLT]

Originally posted by dragradialstang
I don't know about that S10 weight?

Larrys truck used to be at the Motorplex all the time. He lives on 45 the next exit up from there. But his truck has been weighed many times at the Motorplex. He messed up the motor so he is in the process of rebuilding it at the moment. As soon as it is done he will have it back out and I am sure he would have no problem pulling it up on the scales for you. It is a single cab short bed so it is the smallest one and being a light dubty truck it is super light.

[Tweakd]

Originally posted by David Z28
Same person aka Chris Jennings? Or are there two projects in the DFW area?

DRS, what's the weight/price of a Vega?

Guys, keep in mind the LS1 is approx 80 lbs lighter than a iron small block.

yes same person

[Sgt.5point0]

Originally posted by JohnTheAggie
For the ultimate open track car, you could try this:

LS1 BMW 3-series (http://www.vorshlag.com/E36ProjectBook.asp)


Forget the beamer did you see the chick on that page, Turkey's Done!:D

But really, I like either the Fox body or the Fiero.

[Beej]

I would say a miata. If you can put a 302 in one, you can put an ls1 in one. Hell if you can put a ls1 in a mont, then anything is possible :D

[Cooter]

miata? M3? Cobra kit car?!

guys, David is wanting to build a LOW BUCK, track only DRAG CAR...

[Nick]

I wish I hadnt just put a small block 350 in my 80 malibu. I may take it out and grab me a LS1. OR I could sell the malibu and gut the fairmont wagon and put a LS1 in it BUT thats just been done :/ I could put the 350 in the fairmont and a LS1 in the malibu :)

[Boss Hogg]

Originally posted by Forrest
miata? M3? Cobra kit car?!

guys, David is wanting to build a LOW BUCK, track only DRAG CAR...
Agreed, I want a tin can with a motor.

[breadfan35]

Originally posted by AL P
How about an LS1 in a Mazda Miata, that would be some sick shit. They do the 5.0 conversion so it can be done somehow.

Originally posted by DarkPony
I would say a miata. If you can put a 302 in one, you can put an ls1 in one. Hell if you can put a ls1 in a mont, then anything is possible :D

Badda Bing!

http://board.performanceforums.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=663467

http://act.imagineering.net.au/viewtopic.php?t=6720

[poopnut2]

gixxer:D

[Nick]

My uncle built a little 34 or 35 roadster from the ground up. just a box type looking frame, the body and some suspension, I think he said it weighed around 1500 something lbs. with a iron chevy 350. he ran a 7.0 in the 1/8th with it. I bet a car like that would be insane with a ls1. the body is also steel. He had a old austin healy(i think thats how ya spell it) body that they were gonna make a mold out of and do some fiberglass bodys... I dont know if they ever got around to it. His car is also street legal(passes inspection). So if you could find a cheap bucket/body made out of fiber glass, spend a little time with some iron to get your frame built up, get a 9" rear and the front suspenssion you could have a rolling chassis for practially NOTHING, then just spend your money on the ls1. also this is a open top/no fender type roadster(I dunno if that was clear or not) deffinetly a fair weather only type ride :)

[Nick]

something like this http://www.rustout.freeserve.co.uk/jantore3.jpg
if you could find the seatting area for cheap and built your own frame you could have a extremely fast track with a ls1.

[Cooter]

let's see... BUILD YOUR OWN VEHICLE versus buy an ugly old fox chassis for $100-200...

I'm gonna go ahead and vote for the $100-200 option Kent... what do I win? :D

[Nick]

Originally posted by Forrest
let's see... BUILD YOUR OWN VEHICLE versus buy an ugly old fox chassis for $100-200...

I'm gonna go ahead and vote for the $100-200 option Kent... what do I win? :D

It will be liiiiiiiggggghhhhhtttttteeerrrr! You wont have to bust out the sawzaw and hole punch!

[Cooter]

Originally posted by Nick
It will be liiiiiiiggggghhhhhtttttteeerrrr! You wont have to bust out the sawzaw and hole punch!

you can get a fox coupe w/ an LS1 down to 2300lbs EASY without a sawzALL or any other cutting tool!!!

Forrest

[Nick]

Originally posted by Forrest
you can get a fox coupe w/ an LS1 down to 2300lbs EASY without a sawzALL or any other cutting tool!!!

Forrest

I just wanna see what one of these cheap/light little cars will do with a ls1 in it. I mean if my old redneck uncle can make one run a 7.0 with a cheesy little 350 in it... :)

[SNEAKY]

DAVID I HAPPEN TO KNOW WHERE AN 83-84 RED FOX COUPE IS RIGHT NOW.

[turbostang]

Originally posted by SNEAKY
DAVID I HAPPEN TO KNOW WHERE AN 83-84 RED FOX COUPE IS RIGHT NOW.


WHAT'S WITH THE CAPS LOCK?

[SNEAKY]

Originally posted by turbostang
WHAT'S WITH THE CAPS LOCK?

i wanted to make he heard it

[turbostang]

oh..ok. You gonna be at denton tonight?


Do you think you can copy the video to a VCR tape for me? pulleeeze...

[SNEAKY]

Originally posted by turbostang
oh..ok. You gonna be at denton tonight?


Do you think you can copy the video to a VCR tape for me? pulleeeze...

i will see if i have any blanks laying around, unless you have one and want to come up early.

[turbostang]

I wont be able to make it early.. I dont think.. PM your number to me.. I will call If I can.. I have hundreds of tapes here.. mY wife is a soap opera junkie and records them every day.. but I can't just jack a tape, it will mess up the rotation.. LOL

[SNEAKY]

Originally posted by turbostang
I wont be able to make it early.. I dont think.. PM your number to me.. I will call If I can.. I have hundreds of tapes here.. mY wife is a soap opera junkie and records them every day.. but I can't just jack a tape, it will mess up the rotation.. LOL


940-482-3939

[Relinquished]

Originally posted by David Z28
What would you suggest is the best lightweight vehicle to transplant a LS1? Obviously, I'm looking for a front engine/rear drive vehicle. Is there a website that has vehicle weights? I want something cheap and lightweight. It can be as ugly as sin and gutted to lexan windows, but it HAS to be cheap. I know were there is a fox body with a cage 8.8 i think 3.73 but you would have to go lexan no windows for $700 pm me i will get the details this week. i was going to get it but i am sticking with the 66 stang

[wade]

heres my vote!!!!

[wade]

or this

[CamaroTypeLT]

Vegas are the shit but expencive to build. Rearend is shit and the car needs alot of attention to make it strong enough to hold up to any power. A friend of mine is a Vega nut. He had a maroon Vega wagon that he used to cruise around Mesquite all the time. He ended up ripping the floor pan away from the frame because he had no subframe connectors or anything in it.

[turbostang]

Originally posted by wade
heres my vote!!!!


good gawd.. that thing is cleeeean

[wade]

found em both on Ebay for around 3 grand. Clean little cars to almost 30 years old!!!

[Cooter]

Originally posted by wade
found em both on Ebay for around 3 grand. Clean little cars to almost 30 years old!!!

hmm... $3k for a shell for a dedicated drag car or $500... hmm... :rolleyes:

[MattB]

David,

I'll make you a good deal on a light as hell '85 Coupe. Forrest can vouch for it being about the best candidate for a light drag car chassis, as it's already got subframes, torque boxes welded, etc. not to mention the Forrest method of weight reduction.:)

[Cooter]

it's got a lot of weight pulled out of it with room to pull more if you don't want an interior! :D

subframes tied into custom torque box reinforcements, fully welded upper/lower torque boxes, 8.8 w/ 3.73's, etc.

Forrest

[AbecX]

Originally posted by Andrew
A buddy of mine is putting an LS1 in an RX7....
I have an rx7 I'll sell for $300

[mike89lx]

I know a guy in Plano who is putting a ls1 in a MG!

Mike

[Boss Hogg]

Originally posted by CamaroTypeLT
A friend of mine is a Vega nut. He had a maroon Vega wagon that he used to cruise around Mesquite all the time.
Was his name Tim and married to a gal named Deidra?

[Boss Hogg]

Originally posted by MattB
David,

I'll make you a good deal on a light as hell '85 Coupe.
Thanks for the offer, but I'm still atleast 3 months away before I can make a decision.

[SNEAKY]

Originally posted by David Z28
Thanks for the offer, but I'm still atleast 3 months away before I can make a decision.

haha, that car is not going anywhere, anytime soon.

[dragradialstang]

Here ya go David!http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2434273485&category=6173

[dragradialstang]

This would be a great sleeper!
http://www.dfwstangs.net/hosting/dragradialstang/davidvega.jpg

[Monsoon X]

Originally posted by dragradialstang
This would be a great sleeper!
http://www.dfwstangs.net/hosting/dragradialstang/davidvega.jpg


Is that The Tamer?

[dragradialstang]

Originally posted by Monsoon X
Is that The Tamer? Mini tamer, with a simple tire swap would be good for mud boggs also!

[Dolomite]

Originally posted by Monsoon X
Is that The Tamer?

I don't see any jackstands in the picture. Seems like every pictures I've seen of it has jackstands somewhere in the frame.

[CamaroTypeLT]

Originally posted by David Z28
Was his name Tim and married to a gal named Deidra?

Yes that is him. I have been good friends with him since he moved to Texas. Have you seen his new Vega?

[46Tbird]

Originally posted by Monsoon X
Is that The Tamer?
Dammit! I was gonna post that! :mad:

[Boss Hogg]

Originally posted by CamaroTypeLT
Yes that is him. I have been good friends with him since he moved to Texas. Have you seen his new Vega?
I worked with Diedra at Bearcom in '97-'98 and spoke to Tim a few times. I haven't seen them in 5 years.

[mike89lx]

Originally posted by mike89lx
I know a guy in Plano who is putting a ls1 in a MG!

Mike
I was wrong the LS1 is going into a 95 3- series BMW coupe.:)

Mike