My experience with the Juice. "Long"

[96Cobra_Nate]

I have been off for about two months now. I made the decision to get on after talking to many people that had tried it before. I started with the well known Deca stacked with Sus.250 and wrapped it up with Winstrol. I was able to gain 25 solid lbs because I busted my ass in the gym and stuffed my self with protien every day. Lifting weights was my #1 priority. I did not care about work or friends and family. Bad decision. Now after being off for the first few weeks I was able to keep my gains but when I hit my third week I felt burned out. I started to loose my pump while lifting. So I switched my workout to a more cardio type of work out. Up until a few weeks ago I started to have what seemed like morning sickness. I would wake up feeling very sick to my stomach. I would vomit at least 3 or 4 times a day until the late afternoon for as long as 3 days in a row. As of last Monday I started feeling the same way. I could not eat all day. So I made an appointment to see the Doc. Tuesday comes and I felt the same way except I started to vomit blood. My first thoughts was that I might have a stomach olser. I made the decision to go the E.R. because every time I vomited it felt like someone was stabing me with a knife. They ran blood tests and did xrays of my stomach along with a sonagram. No olsers but my Kidney and liver enzymes were extremly high. They asked me several times if I drank alot. I told them no. They wanted to run more blood tests in a week. They told me that I had a stomach virus. Needless to say I have lost almost 20 lbs and I feel real weak. I have learned that I do not need to put things in to my body that are not ment to be there. I.E. Steriods or any other sups. for that matter. Take my post for what its worth. Later.

[White_lightning]

wait:) didnt i pretty much tell you the EXACT SAME THING before you tookthem??:)
"you will gain..and once you get off.. lose most of your gains"
.. im glad you are o.k.. but .. hate to say it.. told you so.
D.
big
fat
natural

[96Cobra_Nate]

Thanks for the warning;)

[White_lightning]

Originally posted by 96cobraonRoids
Thanks for the warning;)

i have never juiced..
i back for 6 weeks after a 9 month lay off..
hit 315 for 12 reps on sat.. inclining 115lbs dumbells.. there is NO REASON to juice unless you want to complete... just do it naturaly.. that way when you take time off.. it comes back NATUrALY.. because thats how you built it.

[96Cobra_Nate]

I'm taking a little time off from lifting and just doing cardio two times a day. Long jog in the morning for about 25 minutes and a little swim in the late afternoon.

[KevinH78]

That sux dude. :( I've heard of D-bol doing some fucked up shit to your internals but never anything about Decca or Test. :confused: How much winstrol were you running a week?

[96Cobra_Nate]

I'm not totally sure it was the juice alone that made me feel that way. But to answer your question I started at 100 mg. the first week. 200 mg the second 300 mg. the third and 300 mg. the fourth and back down to 150 mgs the last week. I have taken Just winstrol alone and loved the results. It was Winstrol V. from Germany one of the cleanest steriods made.

[01WhiteCobra]

Did you tell the ER peeps about your trials into 'roids? Might help them determine your problem. The ol' "stomach virus" answer is usually the stop gap when they don't know what is wrong with you.

If I was puking blood, I wouldn't be taking "stomach virus" as an answer. That's just me, though.

Hope it all turns out well for you without any permanent damage.

[96Cobra_Nate]

I'm going to get a second opinion after I get some damn insurance. That little trip to the E.R. cost me $1500 and 8 hours of my time:mad: :mad:

[KevinH78]

Originally posted by 96cobraonRoids
I'm going to get a second opinion after I get some damn insurance. That little trip to the E.R. cost me $1500 and 8 hours of my time:mad: :mad:

oh dear god! :eek: $1500 :eek:


Did you do any post therapy like clomid or something of the sort to try and keep the weight you gained?

[96Cobra_Nate]

No clomid, but i did take the 20 mg tabs of Nolvadex for about two weeks after the cycle.

[Mach1Marauder]

OK! Jeeze! What a friggin' horror story! As a older guy, It makes me glad I never jumped on the "roid wagon" back in the 80's. A lot of my buddies were using when I was bulking up in Pearl Harbor while I was in the Navy. Several of the guys were SEALS and divers. You could really see massive gains but you could also see all the emotional changes. I was all natural. I busted my ass for 4yrs working different groups each day and cardio every other day also. The best chowhall in the Navy at Subase PH gave me everything I needed and wanted. I grew to 287lbs at 7% body fat. I jest of this rant is that it can be done NATURALLY! I'm getting on a new program now and I'm just going to use Nitro-tech and Cell-tech and MAYBE something to wake up this tired ol' metabolism.

[KevinH78]

Originally posted by DefangedSailor
287lbs at 7% body fat.

Jesus Christ! :eek:

[The Raven]

Originally posted by KevinH78
Jesus Christ! :eek:


No offense sailor, but either you are 7 feet tall or are missing a digit in that bodyfat count.

[White_lightning]

Originally posted by KevinH78
Jesus Christ! :eek:

my thoughts exascrtly. i know PRO BODUBUILDERS who cant hit that off season. and some who cant it it ON Season.

[01WhiteCobra]

Noah David Steere - 6'6" 300lbs with 23" arms, cold!

http://www.dfwstangs.net/hosting/01WhiteCobra/noah.jpg

[White_lightning]

Originally posted by 01WhiteCobra
Noah David Steere - 6'6" 300lbs with 23" arms, cold!


lol.. do you HONESTLY THINK that dude in the pick is natural?? LOL!!


im willing to bet there is enough juice in his blood stream to grow some 1200lbs cows...

i know MANY " Natural body builders" who are still squeezing. just squeezing less..

[01WhiteCobra]

Originally posted by White_lightning
lol.. do you HONESTLY THINK that dude in the pick is natural?? LOL!!


im willing to bet there is enough juice in his blood stream to grow some 1200lbs cows...

i know MANY " Natural body builders" who are still squeezing. just squeezing less..

Didn't say he was natural.

Was putting up a reference of someone who is 6'6" and 300lbs.

[White_lightning]

Originally posted by 01WhiteCobra
Didn't say he was natural.

Was putting up a reference of someone who is 6'6" and 300lbs.

aaah .. i gotcha..

what the name of that canadian monster?? the dude who is like 6'6" 400lbs LEAN???

[KevinH78]

Originally posted by 01WhiteCobra
Noah David Steere - 6'6" 300lbs with 23" arms, cold!


I bet his nuts are the size of BB's!

[The Raven]

Originally posted by 01WhiteCobra
Didn't say he was natural.

Was putting up a reference of someone who is 6'6" and 300lbs.

Exactly, either sailor's number or his claim to be natural are askew. Not having taken steroids for several years does not make someone "natural" btw.

[White_lightning]

Originally posted by Got Boost?
Exactly, either sailor's number or his claim to be natural are askew. Not having taken steroids for several years does not make someone "natural" btw.

im 5'7"... 287.. at.. 9%!!!
wait.. i meant 29%
:)

[AL P]

Why in the hell take three roids at once?

My one experiment with roids was 1cc of Sostenon 250 each week for ten weeks. I weighed 190 lbs. and was benching close to 400 lbs. at the end of it. I didn't gained too much mass but was strong as hell on every lift in the gym.

I had about a week where I didn't feel so pumped in the gym after I got off but I worked through it. I think I realized about a 30% real gain from the experience.

I just don't understand the whole "lets stack 3 roids" mentality...you aren't jumping in a pool! This is your body we are talking about, you only get one chance to fuck it up, the least you could do is ease into it!

BTW, I won't ever take them again, that was ten years ago and there is no reason to take them unless you want to compete in bodybuilding shows (which IMO are kind of gay anyway) or powerlifting meets, which are cool but don't get you paid, so what is the point?

Chicks don't care how you look...see all the fat guys and preppie nerds who get laid by the hotties...?? Just lift your ass off naturally and eat decent and you'll be fine.

[96BluOvl]

I'll say one thing I just got off reforvit about 2 months ago. I gained some good mass, but That shit (I believe)was fucking with me mentally. So I will never do them again. I was bigger than most of my friends and so I started to feel as if I was an oddball. I thought maybe it was the stuff that was making me feel like that but who knows. I am doing hella cardio now to cut up but I will stay natural from now on.. Al P is exactly right from what I have seen and learned girls don't care at all (unless they are young) about that shit.

[Mach1Marauder]

Well ................It seems that the "roid" mentality or thinking is very prevailant amoung you youngsters! I had always maintained a very low body fat percentage hovering around 12-11%. I guess good genes. Naturally the #'s I quoted were my best. Do you quote your second or third best ET? I backed off of my diet because of very high agressiveness I devloped. The Navy Dr. said my Testostrone levels were sky high. I know my weight and bodyfat during that time because the Navy considered me overweight and I had to get a bunch of tests every year for a while because I didn't conform to their standard. A roid has never coursed through my veins!

[01WhiteCobra]

Originally posted by KevinH78
I bet his nuts are the size of BB's!

Unless he has manhood tuck up under his ass in that picture, I'd say you just may be correct.

[ls1eater]

suston 250= 4 types of testosterone + deca = one mean ass mutha fucka:eek:

Roids are not even worth it i almost lost my baseball schollarship for using ara test 250 wouldnt sugest the juice to anyone.:cool:

[01WhiteCobra]

Originally posted by DefangedSailor
Well ................It seems that the "roid" mentality or thinking is very prevailant amoung you youngsters! I had always maintained a very low body fat percentage hovering around 12-11%. I guess good genes. Naturally the #'s I quoted were my best. Do you quote your second or third best ET? I backed off of my diet because of very high agressiveness I devloped. The Navy Dr. said my Testostrone levels were sky high. I know my weight and bodyfat during that time because the Navy considered me overweight and I had to get a bunch of tests every year for a while because I didn't conform to their standard. A roid has never coursed through my veins!

Not everybody is a youngin. Sorry, but 287 at 7% bodyfat is hard to fathom. Not impossible, but it puts in into a very very small percentage of the population that could possibly achieve and have achieved this. How tall are you?

My question, don't have to answer, its your business, but why aren't you just now finishing up a long NFL career? With those stats, you would have had to be a monster.

Like I said, I'm not doubting you, I've met people that can carry this weight with that bodyfat percentage naturally, but all of them were playing NFL ball.

Just curious.

[AL P]

Originally posted by 01WhiteCobra
Not everybody is a youngin. Sorry, but 287 at 7% bodyfat is hard to fathom. Not impossible, but it puts in into a very very small percentage of the population that could possibly achieve and have achieved this. How tall are you?

My question, don't have to answer, its your business, but why aren't you just now finishing up a long NFL career? With those stats, you would have had to be a monster.

Like I said, I'm not doubting you, I've met people that can carry this weight with that bodyfat percentage naturally, but all of them were playing NFL ball.

Just curious.

I knew a guy like this in high school, he was just a fucking titan. He was around 300 but was very lean, I don't think he was anywhere near 7%, he wasn't 12% though, he was very very lean for his size naturally.

He went on to play football for Ohio State for a year or two but nothing ever came of him there. I think part of the problem was that he was just plain DUMB. No bullshit...one night he and my brother and some other guys were hanging out in Burleson and he got hauled in by the police, they thought he was drunk but he hadn't had a drop to drink. The guy was so dumb he was almost punchdrunk...all the time! LOL

Anyway, I guess my point is....there are freaks out there!!